File Updated:  Oct, 08

Why is "China Love" (chinalove.com) on my Grey List?

This is the 1st and ONLY report I have on this agency.

It is the weakest reason I have ever had for putting an agency on the Grey list.

Read the report and use that info to help you when you talk with the agency about your using them.

Jim,
I have just finished a two week tour of China, that included visits to CHNLOVE.  I
would rate this group of companies as something to definitely be aware of.  There
are girls, and they definitely want to get married, but the problem is in the
execution of the company.  They make their money translating messages for men [like
me] who contact ladies and then pay to have a message translated.  One of their
offices (Changsha) had 5 young ladies reading and translating messages, and a second
office (Chengdu) had three.

I did meet ladies, but they were entirely different from their pictures, which is
where the problem comes in.  Several of the interpreters hinted at angry clients who
traveled to see a particular lady, and then were disappointed at who met them.

Do I rate this agency a scam? I would have to answer yes, although to their credit,
they do present the ladies to you, albeit not the person you went to see.  At $3,000
a pop to travel to these countries, there is a definite problem.

Can you meet someone who interests you? Yes!  But your going to have to work at it.
I would say you need to meet 10 ladies to find 2 who may appeal to you.  I am no
newcomer to this game, and this was my 10th trip overseas, so I am aware of the
games played by marriage agencies.  I knew enough to schedule as many ladies as
possible to avoid a total trip failure.

Again, this company is probably legit, but should be put on a watch list until they
get the "glamour photos" bit cleaned up.  Posting a photo that does not come close
to resembling the person is not an honest way to do business.

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OK, now I have more...

Hi Jim,
I have been a member of CHNLove for about 3 years and there is definitely a scam there.  I have travelled there twice now,  Even after corresponding with one of the ladies for 6 months and having been told (in her e-mails) that she was taking English classes, I got there and she could not speak a word of English.  Naturally, the agency was happy to offer the services of an interpreter.  Agencies apparently tell the ladies that they do not need to learn English until the man asks her to marry her and pays for her English courses, which are by the way given by the translator who works at the agency.  I also know from experience and from having talked to a few of the ladies who are members on this site that there is a lot of deception and lies going on there.  One would think that at the price that we pay for sending and receiving an e-mail, the service would be at least honest.  But in many cases, it is anything but honest.
 
First, men send letters to ladies.  The agency receives the letter, translates it for the lady and will show the man’s profile to the lady.  By the way, the lady has already paid a little fortune by Chinese standards to be on this site and she also gets charged for every letter that she receives and every letter that she sends (each letter therefore amounts to $6 or more; a pretty hefty charge for this kind of service in China). 
 
If the lady likes the man, she will write to him and the agency will do kind of what they advertise.  In most cases, they will call the lady, somewhat read a translated version of the letter over the phone, omitting any kind of contact information in order to retain the exclusive control of the communication between the man and the woman.  Often, the lady will summarize how to answer the letter to her translator.  The translator will then sit down and write a letter, feeling quite free to add stuff, to embellish the feelings or words from the lady, and of course, ensuring that no direct contact information gets passed.  So, the answer we get is in many cases not even a translation of a letter written by the lady.  For instance, I had been writing to that lady everyday for 2 months.  I had asked to get her phone number and e-mail.  I finally received it this week in an e-mail.  In her letter, the lady said that her English was not great, but that she would do her best to communicate.  I did phone her this weekend.  Whose phone number was that?  Her translator!  She made nice promises that she would call the lady the next day to see if she wanted me to have her private cell number.  Surprise!  The e-mail signed by the lady clearly said to call her, that she was expecting my call.  Why would her translator need that lady’s permission to give me her phone number if that lady’s e-mail was genuine?  Strike One!
 
If the lady has no interest in developing a relationship with a man who just wrote to her, it gets even more interesting!  I have been told by ladies of the kind you describe, the ones that look totally different in person than they do on their glamour photo, that when they showed no interest in a man, the agency or the translator would approach them and ask for permission for the translator to write to this man on their behalf anyway, but at no charge to the lady!  So, the man who thinks that his lady likes him will be lured to send as many e-mails as possible.  When the heat in the kitchen gets too high, the translator will find a way to break-up the relationship.  This happened to me recently.  I found out the truth when talking to a friend of mine who encountered the same ending.  Strike two!
 
Sometimes, without the lady being aware of anything, the agency will use her profile to attract men and make money.  Last summer, I initiated contact with a lady from Luizhou, Guangxi province.  That lady indicated on her profile that she was living in Rotterdam, Netherlands.  I liked her a lot (I thought), so I made travel arrangements to go meet her.  I told her what time I would arrive, where I would stay and that I wanted to have dinner with her on the night of my arrival.  When I arrived Rotterdam she was not at the Central station to meet my train as we had agreed.  I called her mobile several times, but there was no answer.  I sent her SMS and e-mails, still no answer.  I was stuck in Rotterdam with no date.  Finally, three days later, I managed to reach that lady.  She had been away on vacation for more than two weeks and she had not been aware at all that I was coming!  The agency, having been unable to contact her, faked her replies to me.  We finally met, but like in many other cases, she was a far cry from the photos on her profile.  She was nevertheless nice and we became friends.  Her English was very limited, but she managed to explain to me that she did like me and had told the agency that she was interested in communicating with me. But that she received only about 3 of my e-mails, out of a total of about 20, and that she had replied only to these 3 e-mails.  All of the others had been totally made up by the agency.  She also told me that the agency also has a few ladies who are very good looking and who are indeed looking for a husband, but who do not mind toying with men in which they are not interested for the benefit of the agency, and for their own as well, as the agency gives them a free ride (no fee membership), especially if they are willing to play the game in case the man requests a chat online. These ladies often get a lot of men trying to get in touch with them, so they get to pick and chose whom they want to write to, and leave the other suckers to the translators to play with.  Strike three!
 
The problem is that there is absolutely no quality control over the translation made and these translators are in a flagrant conflict of interest.  They need to keep the money flowing in and they have no problem lying and deceiving men just to shore up their business.  I think that they need to be shown for what they really are.  I am sure that there are honest ladies out there.  But there are many honest and sincere men also who are being deceived by CHNLove and its agencies.  I hope that you can expose them for what they are and force tem to come clean or shut down the business.  You can quote this e-mail as being from one of their disillusioned customers.  If you wish more details, do not hesitate to contact me. Have a nice day
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